Thank you two so much for this episode!❤ I ordered the book some time ago, but it obviously takes A LOT of time to ship it to Switzerland, so this was so helpful. My sister deconstructed and I am so so thankful for what you said in the end. That sometimes it is okay not to talk about faith stuff anymore with a person, because it won't help, it probably will just make things work! Thank you, this has been a huge relief for me!
I was a huge Cadman's Call fan back in the day. Derek was a great artist and songwriter. For someone that does not call himself a Christian any longer, I'm confused at why he still spends so much time in that space. Praying that he comes back to Jesus. 🙏
I did a lengthy interaction with bing ai about the meaning of deconstructionism, based on Derrida's concept of deconstructionism, based on AI's "concept" (a definition) of decontructionism.. The answers provided to my questions about the validity of the concept and definition just went in circles. The most prevalent response AI gives is that it is a paradox. If I understood correctly, it tries to convince the inquirer that a definition of deconstructionism cannot be pinned down by a definite definition. Yet, in all of the responses it gives, it is clear that a definition is being made. Tim said that "there is something fundamental about deconstruction that is wrong." I think the fundamental inadequacy is that it tries to convince one to be hyper-skeptical about knowledge, meaning, and understanding, that you can't really trust that something is objectively true and stable, and at the same time, presenting itself as a knowledge, which AI says "that's the dance it makes on the 'edge of meaning.'" So, If AI is relaying Derrida's concept and "meaning" of deconstructionism, then it's just clap-trap. In addition, Derrida falls on his own sword when he tried to give a definition to deconstructionism.
Admittedly commenting from the start here, so maybe they’ll address this, but I’d be super curious how many deconstructed people these two actually talked to vs reading books/assuming things through 2nd hand information.
@@STRvideos - glad to hear, because mostly all I see in this kind of “ministry” is talking about people, rather than to them. I think this method is only going to create a bigger divide. And in my estimation, this specific play against “deconstruction” is a bit skewed towards a specific type of person who undergoes this process. So to really get it, you’d have to talk to the actual person deconstructing. But the real problem is I don’t think apologetics, theology or tactics is the antidote; it’s the divine hidden one that needs to come out to play that can turn the tide.
I left the "church" because of all the false teachings and outright apostacy. People calling themselves little g gods, name it claim it, healthy wealthy and wise. I have not left my God or my faith. In fact I am stronger now, that I'm not doubting my beliefs of God's soverenty and His holiness, and what I know about God to be true, and right and studying His word on my own. Yes it's lonely at times. I miss the worship, but even some of that was polluted. Thanks for clarifying some of this for me.
We're sorry to hear that and hope that you will continue to look for a good church. We know it can be difficult given how many churches are deceived by false teachings, but fellowship with the body of Christ is essential to fruitful Christian living. We'd be happy to share some resources if you're interested.
"Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition)" (2 Thessalonians 2:3 AMPC)
Instead of saying you deconstructed, maybe you should say you did a forensic analysis on your faith. Or maybe you put your faith to your own scrutiny. I would say that is a good practice. If someone isn't willing to question his own beliefs, he is not qualified to espouse those beliefs. On the issue of conceding language, there is a lot of that in Christendom. “Same sex marriage”, “pro-choice”, etc. I think it is better to say “preborn”, rather than ”unborn”. I won't say “LGBTQ”. I say “gay and transgender”. But maybe even transgender is a conceding term. It's a very important issue that we need to address more. One final thought… I can't help but think that deconstructing is a form of surrender. It's a lot of work to uphold Biblical truth in this culture. It can even be costly. It's much easier to just acquiesce to the culture for the sake of peace. Who wants to go against the grain and be denounced, called names, and blamed for everything? Nobody! But we'll take it because we can't possibly deny our Lord.
I walked away from pure Scriptural authority, looked at other religious writings, held them to the same level of intellectual scrutiny, got rid of all my theological assumptions especially with Jesus being God, salvation, hell, and in that, I found Christ in a way no church has ever taught me. I have a new understanding of God, and Jesus is God in my estimation for sure, he brought salvation, but my "Christ following beliefs" is totally different. I still don't have any qualms with the dao de Jing, and believe that Jesus fulfils a lot of religions. That isn't to say that Jesus wants to us to be taoist Christians, but I'm not sure we should be religious Christians either. Christ didn't come to make religion, he came to be the way
Thank you two so much for this episode!❤ I ordered the book some time ago, but it obviously takes A LOT of time to ship it to Switzerland, so this was so helpful. My sister deconstructed and I am so so thankful for what you said in the end. That sometimes it is okay not to talk about faith stuff anymore with a person, because it won't help, it probably will just make things work! Thank you, this has been a huge relief for me!
I was a huge Cadman's Call fan back in the day. Derek was a great artist and songwriter. For someone that does not call himself a Christian any longer, I'm confused at why he still spends so much time in that space. Praying that he comes back to Jesus. 🙏
I did a lengthy interaction with bing ai about the meaning of deconstructionism, based on Derrida's concept of deconstructionism, based on AI's "concept" (a definition) of decontructionism.. The answers provided to my questions about the validity of the concept and definition just went in circles. The most prevalent response AI gives is that it is a paradox. If I understood correctly, it tries to convince the inquirer that a definition of deconstructionism cannot be pinned down by a definite definition. Yet, in all of the responses it gives, it is clear that a definition is being made. Tim said that "there is something fundamental about deconstruction that is wrong." I think the fundamental inadequacy is that it tries to convince one to be hyper-skeptical about knowledge, meaning, and understanding, that you can't really trust that something is objectively true and stable, and at the same time, presenting itself as a knowledge, which AI says "that's the dance it makes on the 'edge of meaning.'" So, If AI is relaying Derrida's concept and "meaning" of deconstructionism, then it's just clap-trap. In addition, Derrida falls on his own sword when he tried to give a definition to deconstructionism.
Admittedly commenting from the start here, so maybe they’ll address this, but I’d be super curious how many deconstructed people these two actually talked to vs reading books/assuming things through 2nd hand information.
They did an extensive amount of research that included conversations with people who have deconstructed.
@@STRvideos - glad to hear, because mostly all I see in this kind of “ministry” is talking about people, rather than to them. I think this method is only going to create a bigger divide. And in my estimation, this specific play against “deconstruction” is a bit skewed towards a specific type of person who undergoes this process. So to really get it, you’d have to talk to the actual person deconstructing. But the real problem is I don’t think apologetics, theology or tactics is the antidote; it’s the divine hidden one that needs to come out to play that can turn the tide.
I left the "church" because of all the false teachings and outright apostacy. People calling themselves little g gods, name it claim it, healthy wealthy and wise. I have not left my God or my faith. In fact I am stronger now, that I'm not doubting my beliefs of God's soverenty and His holiness, and what I know about God to be true, and right and studying His word on my own. Yes it's lonely at times. I miss the worship, but even some of that was polluted. Thanks for clarifying some of this for me.
We're sorry to hear that and hope that you will continue to look for a good church. We know it can be difficult given how many churches are deceived by false teachings, but fellowship with the body of Christ is essential to fruitful Christian living. We'd be happy to share some resources if you're interested.
"Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition)"
(2 Thessalonians 2:3 AMPC)
Instead of saying you deconstructed, maybe you should say you did a forensic analysis on your faith. Or maybe you put your faith to your own scrutiny. I would say that is a good practice. If someone isn't willing to question his own beliefs, he is not qualified to espouse those beliefs.
On the issue of conceding language, there is a lot of that in Christendom. “Same sex marriage”, “pro-choice”, etc. I think it is better to say “preborn”, rather than ”unborn”. I won't say “LGBTQ”. I say “gay and transgender”. But maybe even transgender is a conceding term. It's a very important issue that we need to address more.
One final thought… I can't help but think that deconstructing is a form of surrender. It's a lot of work to uphold Biblical truth in this culture. It can even be costly. It's much easier to just acquiesce to the culture for the sake of peace. Who wants to go against the grain and be denounced, called names, and blamed for everything? Nobody! But we'll take it because we can't possibly deny our Lord.
it's a search for objective truth that leads people to see christianity is not true. it's not postmodernism. your definition is flawed.
that's why like you said that definition didn't fit when you tried to apply it
and it's so funny to hear you talk about spiritual abuse right after gaslighting exchristians by claiming they were never believers to begin with.
I walked away from pure Scriptural authority, looked at other religious writings, held them to the same level of intellectual scrutiny, got rid of all my theological assumptions especially with Jesus being God, salvation, hell, and in that, I found Christ in a way no church has ever taught me. I have a new understanding of God, and Jesus is God in my estimation for sure, he brought salvation, but my "Christ following beliefs" is totally different. I still don't have any qualms with the dao de Jing, and believe that Jesus fulfils a lot of religions. That isn't to say that Jesus wants to us to be taoist Christians, but I'm not sure we should be religious Christians either. Christ didn't come to make religion, he came to be the way
@@downenout8705 Nah, it's the one of the Bible. I met him without a mediator like Calvin, Arminius, or anyone else.
@@downenout8705 I read Greek and Hebrew, and why are you being so aggressive?